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    Fans of the UAW... Read These anti BAILOUT reasons

    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2135.cfm

    Auto Bailout Ignores Excessive Labor Costs

    Without government intervention, one or more of the Big Three automobile manufacturers--General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler--faces restructuring in bankruptcy. Bankruptcy would not be the end of the Big Three but a new beginning. Coming out of bankruptcy, the automakers would start fresh, free of the contractual obligations that have kept them uncompetitive. The United Auto Workers (UAW) and Detroit automakers want to avoid bankruptcy and are seeking a taxpayer bailout. Such a bailout, however, is not an acceptable alternative to bankruptcy because it would delay the restructuring the Big Three need to become competitive again.

    UAW workers earn $75 an hour in wages and benefits--almost triple the earnings of the average private sector worker. Detroit autoworkers have substantially more health, retirement, and paid time off benefits than most Americans. These benefits, and a JOBS bank that pays UAW workers nearly full wages to not work, have been a major force driving the Detroit automakers' current fiscal woes. Consequently, Congress should not force all Americans to pay for high wages and benefits for UAW workers.


    Blah Blah (fast forward)

    Autoworkers at Japanese plants located in the United States earn substantially more than this: between $42 and $48 an hour in wages and benefits, which amounts to over $80,000 a year in total compensation--hardly cheap labor.[2]

    The typical UAW worker at the Big Three earned between $71 and $76 an hour in 2006. This amount is triple the earnings of the typical worker in the private sector and $25 to $30 an hour more than American workers at Japanese auto plants. The average unionized worker at the Big Three earns over $130,000 a year in wages and benefits.[3]

    Blah Blah (ff)

    Health care costs the Big Three so much because the UAW negotiated gold-plated health benefits that include medical, hospital, surgical, and prescription drug coverage. These benefits also cover durable medical equipment (e.g., hearing aids), dental benefits, and even Lasik eye surgery.[4] For all this, GM workers and retirees must pay monthly premiums of $10 for an individual and $21 for families.[5] As a result, UAW workers and retirees have some of the most comprehensive and least expensive health care in America.


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    30-and-Out contracts. UAW employees work under a 30-and-Out contract that allows them to retire with generous pension benefits after 30 years on the job, irrespective of age.

    Seven weeks' vacation. A Chrysler worker with 15 years' tenure was entitled to 34.5 paid holidays and vacation days in 2006--seven weeks in paid time off.[7] This is three weeks more paid vacation than the average private sector worker with similar tenure.

    Paid not to work. Under UAW contracts, workers whom the automakers let go when plants close are not laid off. Instead, after exhausting regular unemployment payments from the automakers and the government, they are transferred to a JOBS bank where they are paid nearly full wages to not work.

    Taxpayers Should Not Bail Out the UAW

    By seeking a bailout, the UAW, along with the Detroit automakers, are asking taxpayers to help keep UAW earnings at $75 an hour when the typical American takes home a third that much. The Big Three also want Congress to use taxpayers' money to pay billions of dollars into the new health care VEBA, thereby funding health care benefits for UAW retirees that are far more generous than those provided by an already under-funded Medicare system.

    UAW workers understandably want to preserve the standard of living to which they have become accustomed, but that standard is not sustainable in a competitive economy. Congress should not tax all Americans in order to maintain UAW workers' affluent lifestyles.



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    People really need to read up on jobs banks. They are absolutely ridiculous.

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    You would not be posting this if your wife, brother in law and father in laws pension and jobs were in danger.

    30 and out gives you a great pension from GM, yet when your social security kicks in, the pension you get from GM or whomever, cuts in half and social security picks up the rest.

    Its not only the UAW being bailed out, its the entire auto industry, 1 in 10 americans work in some form of the auto industry, there is a HUGE food chain involved, from GM to suppliers like Delphi, where my wife works, who took a $22,000 a year paycut to keep her job, then there are the suppliers that supply them and so on and so on.

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    So then someone buys up those capital assets that GM, Ford and Chrysler wasted and runs them more efficiently.

    The unions help make Detroit produce unprofitable cars. They've been hemorrhaging cash for four years now.

    Explain GM's double cost structure. Can anyone explain what the fuck is the difference between a GMC Jimmy and a Chevy Blazer? A GMC Yukon or a Chevy Tahoe?

    They lost $6.9 billion of cash last QUARTER. $25 billion buys less than a year of time. And that's just GM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior View Post
    You would not be posting this if your wife, brother in law and father in laws pension and jobs were in danger.

    30 and out gives you a great pension from GM, yet when your social security kicks in, the pension you get from GM or whomever, cuts in half and social security picks up the rest.

    Its not only the UAW being bailed out, its the entire auto industry, 1 in 10 americans work in some form of the auto industry, there is a HUGE food chain involved, from GM to suppliers like Delphi, where my wife works, who took a $22,000 a year paycut to keep her job, then there are the suppliers that supply them and so on and so on.

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    That's the problem-everyone is too GREEDY to make a sacrifice for the benefit of the greater good. If people don't realize what is going on and decide that they're okay with making a sacrifice, the alternative will be WAY WORSE than had they decided to give up a lot of the benefits and privileges they currently enjoy. We're talking potential soup kitchens here people, it could get that bad. If you were a UAW worker, or someone affected by it, would you want 2/3's of your salary and benefits, or being forced to stand in line at a soup kitchen in order to feed your family? Yeah, I thought so. And the potential for it to be that bad is REAL. We keep handing out bailout liquor like some drunken capitalist, and when the foreign gov'ts decide they don't wanna finance our deficit spending (aka the bailout liquor), the hangover we experience will be worse than anything you could possibly imagine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior View Post
    You would not be posting this if your wife, brother in law and father in laws pension and jobs were in danger.

    30 and out gives you a great pension from GM, yet when your social security kicks in, the pension you get from GM or whomever, cuts in half and social security picks up the rest.

    Its not only the UAW being bailed out, its the entire auto industry, 1 in 10 americans work in some form of the auto industry, there is a HUGE food chain involved, from GM to suppliers like Delphi, where my wife works, who took a $22,000 a year paycut to keep her job, then there are the suppliers that supply them and so on and so on.

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    1 in 10 will have a shot at getting jobs created in the auto industry byt the void of the big three.

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    The thing I don't get from those who support the bailout is that they act as though not bailing out the auto industry is tantamount to making car manufacturing illegal. Those of us who oppose the bailout (I also opposed the financial sector bailout) simply want the automotive industry to live within their means just like we taxpayers have to. It's not my fault that the auto industry is rudderless. I shouldn't be expected to foot the bill for their incompetence and greed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottleffler View Post
    The thing I don't get from those who support the bailout is that they act as though not bailing out the auto industry is tantamount to making car manufacturing illegal. Those of us who oppose the bailout (I also opposed the financial sector bailout) simply want the automotive industry to live within their means just like we taxpayers have to. It's not my fault that the auto industry is rudderless. I shouldn't be expected to foot the bill for their incompetence and greed.
    Looks like they got 15 billion.. that is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Looks like they got 15 billion.. that is it.
    Good at least i know that 4 members of my family will still be able to have a job

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    5 billion each doesn't go very far... Jobs will be slashed bigtime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junior View Post
    Good at least i know that 4 members of my family will still be able to have a job
    No you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    5 billion each doesn't go very far... Jobs will be slashed bigtime.
    The majority of the money will be going to GM, the UAW is going to the bargaining table to give concessions, like my wifes company Delphi, i doubt what happend to her, losing $22,000 a year, will happen to GM employees, but look for retirees to start contributing monthly to health care, and more on. Will it help, who knows, but the industry needs to change, and i will admit the union needs to make major concessions in wages and benefits, but it will be tough for them to swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/wm2135.cfm

    Auto Bailout Ignores Excessive Labor Costs

    Without government intervention, one or more of the Big Three automobile manufacturers--General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler--faces restructuring in bankruptcy. Bankruptcy would not be the end of the Big Three but a new beginning. Coming out of bankruptcy, the automakers would start fresh, free of the contractual obligations that have kept them uncompetitive. The United Auto Workers (UAW) and Detroit automakers want to avoid bankruptcy and are seeking a taxpayer bailout. Such a bailout, however, is not an acceptable alternative to bankruptcy because it would delay the restructuring the Big Three need to become competitive again.

    UAW workers earn $75 an hour in wages and benefits--almost triple the earnings of the average private sector worker. Detroit autoworkers have substantially more health, retirement, and paid time off benefits than most Americans. These benefits, and a JOBS bank that pays UAW workers nearly full wages to not work, have been a major force driving the Detroit automakers' current fiscal woes. Consequently, Congress should not force all Americans to pay for high wages and benefits for UAW workers.


    Blah Blah (fast forward)

    Autoworkers at Japanese plants located in the United States earn substantially more than this: between $42 and $48 an hour in wages and benefits, which amounts to over $80,000 a year in total compensation--hardly cheap labor.[2]

    The typical UAW worker at the Big Three earned between $71 and $76 an hour in 2006. This amount is triple the earnings of the typical worker in the private sector and $25 to $30 an hour more than American workers at Japanese auto plants. The average unionized worker at the Big Three earns over $130,000 a year in wages and benefits.[3]

    Blah Blah (ff)

    Health care costs the Big Three so much because the UAW negotiated gold-plated health benefits that include medical, hospital, surgical, and prescription drug coverage. These benefits also cover durable medical equipment (e.g., hearing aids), dental benefits, and even Lasik eye surgery.[4] For all this, GM workers and retirees must pay monthly premiums of $10 for an individual and $21 for families.[5] As a result, UAW workers and retirees have some of the most comprehensive and least expensive health care in America.


    BBFF


    30-and-Out contracts. UAW employees work under a 30-and-Out contract that allows them to retire with generous pension benefits after 30 years on the job, irrespective of age.

    Seven weeks' vacation. A Chrysler worker with 15 years' tenure was entitled to 34.5 paid holidays and vacation days in 2006--seven weeks in paid time off.[7] This is three weeks more paid vacation than the average private sector worker with similar tenure.

    Paid not to work. Under UAW contracts, workers whom the automakers let go when plants close are not laid off. Instead, after exhausting regular unemployment payments from the automakers and the government, they are transferred to a JOBS bank where they are paid nearly full wages to not work.

    Taxpayers Should Not Bail Out the UAW

    By seeking a bailout, the UAW, along with the Detroit automakers, are asking taxpayers to help keep UAW earnings at $75 an hour when the typical American takes home a third that much. The Big Three also want Congress to use taxpayers' money to pay billions of dollars into the new health care VEBA, thereby funding health care benefits for UAW retirees that are far more generous than those provided by an already under-funded Medicare system.

    UAW workers understandably want to preserve the standard of living to which they have become accustomed, but that standard is not sustainable in a competitive economy. Congress should not tax all Americans in order to maintain UAW workers' affluent lifestyles.



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