Thread: Barrack is doing an awful job so far

Can you smell what Barrack is cooking?

I loves me some change

Ron Paul would have had immediate change. The foundations of fixing the economy would be well underway and the US would be about out of Iraq and Afghanistan by now. And the military bases would begin to close around the world.

And to be honest, Obama has actually followed the change that Bush started. Huge regulations, vast government intervention in the economy and nationalization. Destructive fucking changes that will ruin a country.

Originally Posted by JoeMama

Did you nutcups really expect a 2 month turnaround?

That's like eating nothing but twinkies for 8 years, then expecting to lose all the weight on a 2 month diet.

Stupid expectation.

I've lost 25 lbs in the past month. You can sure as fuck make a dent.

Spending another trillion dollars isn't going to do it. Neither is monetizing $300 billion of debt. The spending of another trillion bucks was committed to in the past two months. The monetization of $300 billion of debt occurred in the past two days. Things are not getting worse in spite of this idiotic policy, but BECAUSE of it.

If anyone noticed, what has changed is that the US' greatest creditor is imploring Obama not to destroy the value of Treasuries. If China stops investing in Treasuries, if you think the past year's been painful, just wait. And since Obama is following the same fascist path that Bush took, that seems to be the next achievement.

Yeah come on its been two months, obama doesnt have magical oxy-clean or sham wow to clean up the economy and the war on terror. I dont care if you put jesus in office no way all these things will be turned around anytime within a year or so at the minimum.

He's making things worse by following the same failed Bush policies like the hundreds of billions (now trillions) of faux stimulus and the idiotic inflationist policies of Bernanke. Who's expecting magic? If he would have undertaken fiscal and monetary sanity, with a return to sound money and fiscal policy instead of the Bush version of fascism, the economy would turn around much quicker. And we'd actually have change instead of more of the same Bush programs. How the fuck is this different than TARP? Another digit on the end of the check?

And the President has the power to undertake a LOT of change in terms of foreign policy. Congrats on shutting down Gitmo, but you've fucked up everywhere else Obama. What's preventing him from leaving Iraq or Afghanistan right now? What's preventing him from shutting down military bases throughout the world?

Economy wise you still have to put a lot of blame on the companies for putting themselves into these situations. If you dont get them stimulus money, they will complaining the government isnt helping, if you do you get an AIG situation, you just cant win.

I cant judge the guy just 2 months into the job, in 6 months a year from now if i'm living on the streets then i'll say he's bad. The depression did last ten years and take a world war to end it. Thats probably what we would of gotten with mccain.

The companies simply reacted to the below-market interest rate policies of the Fed. That led to the boom, which necessitated the crash because printing money isn't creating real wealth.

You let the companies go bankrupt. The government helping? They're the ones responsible for the mess we're in now. The beauty of the free market is that capital gets allocated to those who utilize it best. The government is subverting that process. The most inefficient users of capital get it, while the most effective utilizers of capital foot the bill.

The reason the Great Depression lasted 10 years was because of the stupid socialist policies followed by Hoover and FDR that extended it. Nobody remembers the Depression of 1920 or even calls it a depression. Why? Because the government didn't take steps to extend it. The Japanese depression has lasted about 15 years and counting. They've taken the same idiotic steps as Bush and Obama have. IT DOESN'T WORK.

McCain would have been as bad, probably worse. This isn't partisan. The GOP is a worse form of socialists than the fucking Democrats. At least the Democrats are honest. The GOP's only decent with their rhetoric 25% the time, but never
with their policies. The only exception to that would be Ron Paul.

So the last boom and bust was caused by excessive lending and loose money, so that's the same policy advocated to solve it? That's insane.

Well Im no Barak fan but LALALAALA over hear sighted ROn fucking Paul as a good leader. Can you say RED FLAG?! its almost as big of a red flag as the part of the Watchmen when Nightowl is standing infront of his old costume naked. The straight up UN-deniable fact is that bitching about the presdent doent get anything done at all. If you want to change things go get elected to public office or help fund raise for someone you support. Consider yourselves Maxy slaped!

Originally Posted by Acoustic-Fury

Regardless of who is at the steering wheel...we are fucked unless we all get off our asses and say something:

Capitalism society has it's pros and cons. The biggest con I see is that it leaves the rich to get super duper rich. The super duper rich can keep things in lockdown mode because people want to feed off the scraps. Politicians are most swayed by this - campaigns are expensive! Politicians become afraid of the super duper rich when they should be in fact be more afraid of the people they govern.

Socialism has it's pros and cons. The rich can only be rich...they can't be super duper rich. I think some socialist programs like police work great...why can't we adopt other socialist programs? Healthcare? Daycare?

We are a very lazy society. We are a very fearful society. Big government wants us distracted. It wants us to be fearful. Debt is a very mind numbing and heavy handed way of keeping people in check.

When was the last time you were at a pep rally for change in your government?

When was the last time thousands led protest regarding change?

Your government does not fear you because you are lazy.

Let's say I have $100.00 bill
$20 of it goes to Healthcare
$20 of it goes to Day care
$20 of it goes to Car payment and insurance
$20 of it goes to home and utilities
$10 of it goes to Food
$8 of it goes to Entertainment
$2 of it goes to Debt.
$0 goes into savings.

That fucking sucks. But that is pretty close to how I live my life currently.

Imagine now if Healthcare and Daycare were socialism driven?

**I would have $40 extra dollars. That's $40 dollars that I could pump into the economy. That is $40 dollars extra that could go toward paying off the debt monkey. That is $40 dollars that could go into my savings...

Socialism driven health care i.e. Universal health care is implemented in most wealthy, industrialized countries...but not the U.S.

I will not get into debating the pros and cons of universal health care because this would be far too long of a post...however if you do some research and comparisons you will find that in the US infant mortality rates are among the highest and overall health of its people is not where it should be...especially when you compare to other industrialized nations.

Medication in the US costs their people hundreds of dollars...whereas in Universal Health Care driven countries...they cost cents.

It is mind numbing that we are making this more complicated than it really is.

We make it complicated because we are lazy...and we live in fear.

**Please also take into consideration that taxes would be higher so it's not exactly $40 dollars...but hopefully the point is there.

First of all, out of your $100, $40 right now goes to taxes (on average).

Second, US health care is not free-market medicine. Medicare and Medicaid are fascist government programs that mean the US spends more on GOVERNMENT health care than any other country on earth. And as a percentage of GDP, the US spends more than Canada on PUBLIC health care.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/he...-public-of-gdp

The reason US health care is so expensive is for several reasons, but a big one is the fucked up legal system that results in preventative medicine and large insurance premiums.

What's the problem with getting rich? I only have a problem with it if someone is getting rich because of some wealth transfer by the state, whether it's four British fatties, some AIG exec or an ex-President making tens of millions of year as a public speaker.

Originally Posted by Emocoremakesmecry

I don't have much of an issue with the job hge's done thus far. I don't think you can effect change in less than, or exactly 2 months. You cannot pull troops out of iraq and afghanistan in 2 months that simply isn't logistically feasible, or shut down every military base elsewhere in the world.

However, I do agree that they should do that. The goverment should also significantly reduce defense spending.

My worry is that while iraq was bush's war, Afghanistan is going to be obama's and poor maxy will be defusing bopmbs made of stone and sneaker.

You can certainly effect change in 2 months.

US troops moved over to the Middle East in 2 months. They can move back.

You can make plans to shut down every military base not on US soil, as has been done with Gitmo.

And instead of committing to spend trillions of dollars and create $300 billion of fraudulent money (6X Madoff's fraud), you could easily commit to sound economic policies. Change? It's a commitment to more of the same, failed Bush policies - inflation, spending, warfare/welfare state.

Originally Posted by Maxy/Team-Kotex

Well Im no Barak fan but LALALAALA over hear sighted ROn fucking Paul as a good leader. Can you say RED FLAG?! its almost as big of a red flag as the part of the Watchmen when Nightowl is standing infront of his old costume naked. The straight up UN-deniable fact is that bitching about the presdent doent get anything done at all. If you want to change things go get elected to public office or help fund raise for someone you support. Consider yourselves Maxy slaped!

You never raised one issue with Paul, probably because you don't understand any of the issues.

Talking about policies, particularly bad ones, does help. The only reason you hold on to idiotic economic and political ideas is because you listened to an idiotic argument at one time and didn't think too hard about it and accepted it.

BTW, Ron Paul was right about the current economic situation BEFORE IT HAPPENED. He was right about Iraq. Red flag, my ass.