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    The Bible bill?

    When the clock strikes midnight on Dec. 31, 2009, Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) hopes you’ll be ringing in “the Year of the Bible.”

    It’s probably just wishful thinking.

    Broun’s simple congressional resolution aimed at honoring the Good Book has produced a push-back of biblical proportion in the blogosphere, with critics dismissing it as either unconstitutional or a waste of time. Jews in Congress and atheist activists are dismissing the resolution, while none of the many Democrats in Congress who are Christian have bothered to sign on as co-sponsors.

    According to GovTrak.us, the resolution is among the most-blogged-about pieces of legislation, with most posts less than complimentary in nature.

    “Does that mean 2009 is not the year of the Bible?” mocked Rep. Barney Frank *(D-Mass.), who is Jewish. “What is 2012 the year of? The Quran?”

    “That’s an endorsement of religion by the federal government, and we shouldn’t be doing that,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), even though he has introduced his own legislation dealing with religion.

    “Republican lawmakers with apparently too much time on their hands and no solutions to offer the country are pushing a resolution that will not address the nation’s problems or advance prosperity or even untangle their previous governing mistakes,” blogged the Progressive Puppy.

    Broun rejects the critiques leveled at this effort.

    “This doesn’t have anything to do with Christianity,” he said in an interview with POLITICO. Rather, he says, it seeks to recognize that the Bible played an integral role in the building of the United States, including providing the basis for our freedom of religion that allows Muslims, Hindus and even atheists to vocalize their own beliefs.



    And even as Nadler criticized Broun, he has done his own share of mixing religion and legislation.

    Last year, he introduced a bill that would overturn a federal appeals court ruling — an “idiot” decision, he says — that a condominium board in Chicago had the right to ban Jews from installing mezuzahs, which consist of a piece of parchment inscribed with a specific religious text put inside a case and hung on a door frame.

    Condo boards shouldn’t be able to interfere in an individual’s right to practice his or her religion, Nadler said.

    But he himself declined to install a mezuzah on his congressional office door when asked by a rabbi, even though he does so at home.

    “That’s my religious symbol, and the office does not belong to me; it belongs to the people of the congressional district, and no one should feel uncomfortable walking into the office if it’s not their religion,” Nadler said, describing his feelings on religion and Congress.

    “Same thing with the Bible. ... It’s not everybody’s religion. And the federal government should not be imposing religious viewpoints.”

    Atheists, who might feel themselves a particular target with the declaration of a biblical year, aren’t even worried about Broun’s effort.

    “Right now, we’re seeing atheism on such a rise,” said David Silverman, vice president and national spokesman of American Atheists, a group dedicated to fighting for the civil rights of atheists.

    “We are seeing Christianity on such a dramatic decline that we’re not particularly worried about it. We’re thinking that this kind of old-style George W. Bush Republicanism is about to go away,” Silverman said, referring to the latest Pew Forum survey of American religious life, which showed nonreligious Americans as the fastest-growing group.

    And it may be the best-selling book of all time, as Broun’s resolution points out, but the Bible isn’t such a popular legislative topic.

    A search of Thomas, the online congressional database, for “Bible” yields just one other bill: a resolution to have the “Lincoln-Obama Bible” on permanent display in the Capitol Visitor Center.

    The resolution specifically asks the president “to issue a proclamation calling upon citizens of all faiths to rediscover and apply the priceless, timeless message of the Holy Scripture which has profoundly influenced and shaped the United States and its great democratic form of government.”

    As for the economy, health care, global warming and all the other issues on Congress’ plate?

    “While we must focus on fiscal policies that provide relief to families during these tough economic times, an endeavor I have been working tirelessly towards in this Congress, we must also not forget to protect and celebrate our fundamental freedoms that the Bible has influenced,” Broun said.

    Broun has gathered 15 co-sponsors, all Republicans, but says he’s looking for more and hopes Democrats will sign on, as well.

    “This is not a partisan issue,” he said. “I want it to be bipartisan.”

    Whether he’s successful or not — the same measure didn’t go anywhere last year — at least Broun and his fellow supporters can take heart in one fact: They already had a “year of the Bible.”

    Ronald Reagan designated 1983 as one, with Congress’ blessing.



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    Honestly, I don't see why anyone's making a big deal. Anytime they call any year of "the year of" anything, nothing ever changes. People go about their lives just as they did before. And like it or not, this country was founded on WASP beliefs and principles, so the Bible does play a role in the founding of this country, regardless of how "separation of Church and State" the country claims to be, or have been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalofan19 View Post
    And like it or not, this country was founded on WASP beliefs and principles, so the Bible does play a role in the founding of this country, regardless of how "separation of Church and State" the country claims to be, or have been.
    Jefferson was very outspoken against Christianity. Most of the founding fathers weren't even Christian at all -- they were Deists. To say that the Bible played a role in the founding of the country is completely missing the point of what the founding fathers tried to create.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pondslider View Post
    Jefferson was very outspoken against Christianity. Most of the founding fathers weren't even Christian at all -- they were Deists. To say that the Bible played a role in the founding of the country is completely missing the point of what the founding fathers tried to create.
    Exactly.

    The Constitution, for example, is good way to illustrate the point.

    You can look at the Constitution as compendium of many political influences. Greek democracy, Montesquieu (checks and balances), John Locke, British common law, etc. Notably absent is Christianity - which makes sense since the intrinsic monotheistic attitude of Christianity inherently goes against freedom of religion.

    The Bible has virtually nothing to do with the actual legally binding foundations of our country. For example, one major hallmark of Christianity is the 10 Commandments. Only 2 of which have any relevance to U.S. Law whatsoever, and even those are a gray area. Furthermore, there is no reference to God, Jesus, or Christianity in the Constitution.

    The "Christian Nation" rhetoric is just a bunch of shit that insecure Christians push on the public since they're apparently uncomfortable with their personal faith unless they feel a sense of power in numbers that only a vocal majority can offer.
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    I never said this was a "Christian Nation". I just said there were some underlying influences. And the Constitution has a lot to do with government structure, which very few Christian doctrines, if any, even address at all. The Bible certainly didn't. There would definitely be no reference to Christ at all because he wasn't about government at all. He even said so.

    And you are right, sadly, about the last part of your post. There are Christians out there that feel insecure when there's a lack of strength in numbers. What those people don't realize is that "strength in numbers" isn't what Christianity is about.

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    If you mean "strength in numbers" as in it takes 2 priests to hold down an altar boy...than yes.

    I should know...I was Altar Boy of the Year '88!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalofan19 View Post
    I never said this was a "Christian Nation". I just said there were some underlying influences. And the Constitution has a lot to do with government structure, which very few Christian doctrines, if any, even address at all. The Bible certainly didn't. There would definitely be no reference to Christ at all because he wasn't about government at all. He even said so.
    Not trying to single you out. I just wanted to make the point that Christianity's influence on our country's conception is vastly overwrought.

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    And you are right, sadly, about the last part of your post. There are Christians out there that feel insecure when there's a lack of strength in numbers. What those people don't realize is that "strength in numbers" isn't what Christianity is about.
    Ironically, yes.

    I'm waiting for our resident wingnut screwballs to show up and tell us all how Jesus himself penned the Constitution with the blood of non-believers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Tough Guy View Post
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    You're right, everything in the bible is true, and happened.


    Another brainwashed catholic. Most don't take well to questioning their beliefs and fairy tales. They sure didn't like it when I went to church school, and made my confirmation. They pretty much had the same reactions as this, and couldn't back most of it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse View Post
    You're right, everything in the bible is true, and happened.


    Another brainwashed catholic. Most don't take well to questioning their beliefs and fairy tales. They sure didn't like it when I went to church school, and made my confirmation. They pretty much had the same reactions as this, and couldn't back most of it up.
    Hey, to its credit, the Bible does have a lot of rad fiction. Stuff that's so cool I'd like to believe in it.

    Talking snakes, people living inside of whales, people turning into pillars of salt, dudes living for 1000 years, dudes coming back to life, a flat earth, an earth-centric universe, an invisible cloud man that records everything you do so He can hold it against you when you die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse View Post
    You're right, everything in the bible is true, and happened.


    Another brainwashed catholic. Most don't take well to questioning their beliefs and fairy tales. They sure didn't like it when I went to church school, and made my confirmation. They pretty much had the same reactions as this, and couldn't back most of it up.
    That's just it though. The Catholic Faith isn't about "backing it up". It's why it's called the Catholic Faith, which is the believing in something even though you don't have absolute "proof" that it happened.

    It's hard to grasp because we live in a "I'll believe when I see it" type society, and that's understandable. However, if you're looking for "proof", you're never going to get it. I'm going to quote the Bible here, though I don't know the exact verse, but Christ did say to the apostle Thomas "Blessed are those who have not seen, but believe". That pretty much sums it up right there. Whether you decide that's good enough or not is your own call. But to say "Christains and/or Catholics can't scientifically prove or back up everything that happened in the Bible, therefore there's no way it can be true" is an erroneous sentiment, and completely discards what the faith is all about.

    And FYI, if you do look at history, and even some scientific documents, the idea of a massive flood (Noah's Ark), isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility. There are other ancient cultures who seem to indicate that there was a massive flood. That's just one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalofan19 View Post

    And FYI, if you do look at history, and even some scientific documents, the idea of a massive flood (Noah's Ark), isn't exactly out of the realm of possibility. There are other ancient cultures who seem to indicate that there was a massive flood. That's just one example.
    Most ancient cultures grew up next to rivers like the Tigris and Euphrates for example. What do rivers do? They flood and to very primitive people when those rivers would flood their villages it would seem as if the whole world was flooded because to them it was. People living 2000 years ago had absolutely no concept of how big the world was or how much water it would take to flood it.

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    Again, all I said was that the possibility was there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse View Post
    You're right, everything in the bible is true, and happened.


    Another brainwashed catholic. Most don't take well to questioning their beliefs and fairy tales. They sure didn't like it when I went to church school, and made my confirmation. They pretty much had the same reactions as this, and couldn't back most of it up.
    I just love fggty douches that throw their atheism around like a baseball,

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalofan19 View Post
    Honestly, I don't see why anyone's making a big deal. Anytime they call any year of "the year of" anything, nothing ever changes. People go about their lives just as they did before. And like it or not, this country was founded on WASP beliefs and principles, so the Bible does play a role in the founding of this country, regardless of how "separation of Church and State" the country claims to be, or have been.
    The Bible doesn't play a role. Greece and Roman and pagan symbols are much more predominant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse View Post
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    It's too unrealistic to be considered good science fiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalofan19 View Post
    I never said this was a "Christian Nation". I just said there were some underlying influences. And the Constitution has a lot to do with government structure, which very few Christian doctrines, if any, even address at all. The Bible certainly didn't. There would definitely be no reference to Christ at all because he wasn't about government at all. He even said so.

    And you are right, sadly, about the last part of your post. There are Christians out there that feel insecure when there's a lack of strength in numbers. What those people don't realize is that "strength in numbers" isn't what Christianity is about.
    Where are the Biblical influences? As was said, the influence of the Greeks, Romans, Coke, Locke, Montesquieu and others is obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Jesse View Post
    You're right, everything in the bible is true, and happened.

    Another brainwashed catholic. Most don't take well to questioning their beliefs and fairy tales. They sure didn't like it when I went to church school, and made my confirmation. They pretty much had the same reactions as this, and couldn't back most of it up.
    Except the Catholics don't believe the Bible is true. They believe the Pope is true.

    The thing I don't get is what happens when the Vatican finally apologizes for things like persecuting Galileo? Does that mean that in 1992 the Church admitted its infallibility, and by extension, the infallible of god? How about in 2000, when Pope John Paul II made a rather insincere apology for "everything over the past 2000 years?"

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    I just love fggty douches that throw their atheism around like a baseball,
    I like the cocksuckers who swing and miss at that motherfucker like they were facing Sidd Finch and his 168 MPH fastball.

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